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Dave (UK)
over nine years ago

Wow. I was getting ready, fingers tensed and then at around 4\'38\" you blew me out the water. Meh!

Yes, back in the day people were told of smoking\'s medicinal qualities and if anyone cites this in a court of law they deserve every penny. So, if this was case for this woman, then yes the fine is worthy and she deserves every penny.

Now... We have to differentiate between smoking cigarettes produced by companies (the whole filter tip-all in one affair) and tobacco (hand-rolled). The main reason that \"tailor-mades\" are damaging to health is because of the higher burn temperature and the additives that assist with this burn. This should be why cigarettes should be banned but not tobacco. If everyone who wanted to smoke learned to hand-roll then I would stop getting hassle at parties to roll other peoples spliffs.

Joking aside, smoking is not that great a career move, particularly the \'tailors as cited above. I\'m for freedom of choice and freedom from burden (vis. the health care system), however this one is a difficult one to prove.

I\'m wonder Joe if California\'s rather draconian smoking regs has rubbed off on you a little. You smoke cigars don\'t you? I\'m sure someone in your vicintiy may accidentally inhale even if you don\'t.

Let me qualify the above thus. I started smoking aged 17. I was not a heavy smoker but reasonably consistent. For most of this time it was hand-rolled. I have smoked cannabis in the past.

I stopped smoking about 18 months ago. Not because of duress or marketing campaigns but because I saw no need for it anymore. No potions, pills or counseling. Just plain old STOP.

I empathise with anyone who has dealt with lung disease first-hand, I have also. It is not pretty and should be required reading for anyone considering taking up this addiction (for it is nothing more). I must conclude by saying though that in the modern era it is the responsibility of the individual to decide what they put in their lungs/blood stream. Personally, I would ban cigarettes and advocate only hand-rolled tobacco. I hear it was once a primary economic export from the New World...

Joe
over nine years ago

Great points here Dave. To your point on my cigar habits, it is true I occasionally do smoke them but that\'s 2, maybe 3 times in a year and I do so only when in company of people ok with smoke and I have a pretty large backyard so I don\'t think the neighbors are getting too badly smoked out. I remember when New York passed its laws about banning smoking in bars I disgareed with it, and still do. If we\'re talking about an establishment that makes it clear that they are ok with smoking, it should be allowed. That goes for restaurants too, if it\'s what they want they should be free to do it. As you said, it\'s a difficult issue as there clearly is a freedom component involved.

Dave (UK)
over nine years ago

I quite like smoke-free pubs now (we\'ve had them a couple of years). I even thought it was a good idea before I stopped. There was nothing worse than waking up after the night before and all my clothes reeked of stale fag ash.

What always made me smile was the \"Smoke Free\" areas in bars and restaurants. As someone rightly pointed out, having a smoke-free area in a restaurant was like having a \"Piss-Free\" area in a swimming pool.

Big Dave (OZ)
over nine years ago

Back again, regarding smoking in bars, the problem with that, is that it\'s someones place of work, regardless of whether they accept it or not, they are being put in harms way, and the employer would then be open to legal action if they got cancer down the track. The argument that they don\'t have to work there doesn\'t wash either, if your boss came to you and said \"We\'ve decided to put a mobile phone tower outside your window, it\'s harmless, what a you complaining about, you use a mobile phone don\'t you, if you don\'t like it you can leave!\" and you\'ve got a mortgage, and a wife and kids to support. Do you play cancer lottery?
And here\'s a little background, I don\'t smoke, in fact I\'ve never even tried one, I don\'t drink any alcohol, and I\'ve never taken any type of other mood altering drug, I don\'t even drink coffee, and I prefer caffeine free drinks. My vice is that occasionally, I drive really fast....... oh, and porn, I seem to be addicted to porn.

Big Dave (OZ)
over nine years ago

I\'ve watched family members die, from the effects of smoking, my sister in-law smokes, after watching her mother die from cancer, and her uncle. I work with a smoker, he needs his hourly fix, I tell him he doesn\'t need them, but he\'s addicted, she\'s addicted, they\'re all addicted.

Remember the story of the kid who gets caught smoking, and his dad makes him smoke the whole pack, well I think the directors, the executives, and even the shareholders should be forced to use their own product, they sell a product of addiction, they should be forced to use it.

Anyone who continues to smoke, in the face of all the evidence that it will kill them, is either completely delusional or a fucking moron.