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Feb 13, 2009



This week we're just floating along, no particular heading but still much on the sea to see. We start with some musings on the interesting effects of editorial changes in movies, triggered specifically with the changes made to the recent film Taken. The editing discussion gradually becomes a dialogue on censorship, and specifically on the boundaries of what we call censorship. We talk a bit about the recent California BART shooting, then blaze through some other much less important stories that have gotten bigger coverage, for example this one or the Christian Bale meltdown. Moving on, I espouse my love of Cracked.com, which bizarrely enough leads into a discussion on past military conflicts and also the power of mythology. Finally, we touch on the deep underlying philosophical meanings behind the Bill Murray film Groundhog Day. Enjoy!

Opening Music: "Alive WIP v2" by George Carpenter
Closing Music: "Blau.ton" by Rauschwerk


Dave (UK)
almost ten years ago

*Warning*
*Large quote alert*

I include the following from an ATS thread about the Police photography. There was a fair amount of to-and-fro. I was initially outraged as you can imagine but was eventually convinced that this is a storm about relatively \'nowt.

Quote: (By ATS member: Budski)
\"The spin on this is remarkable - it\'s a pity that people have either not read the entire piece, or have overlooked the whole quote:

According to the British Journal of Photography, the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008, which is set to become law on February 16, “allows for the arrest and imprisonment of anyone who takes pictures of officers ‘likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism’.”

The relevant part [of the legislation] refers to \"documents\" and in particular, electronic documents:

Power to remove documents: supplementary provisions

(1) In sections 1 to 8 “document” includes any record and, in particular, includes information stored in electronic form.

(2) In the application of those sections to a search under 52(1) of the Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001 (c. 24), for references to a constable substitute references to an authorised officer within the meaning of that section.

(3) In the application of those sections in relation to the search of a vehicle references to the occupier of the premises are to the person in charge of the vehicle.

So in reality, they still don\'t have the power to arrest you for filming or taking pictures unless it is

\"likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism.\"

And you still have a lot of other rights as specified in the act.
Still, this has the potential to be abused by over zealous officers.\"

The full thread can be read on: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread432269/pg2

HTH guys.

Big Dave (OZ)
almost ten years ago

Yes, we have censorship in Australia; we\'ve recently had 11 years of conservative government, which was only defeated by the opposition appearing to be almost as conservative. The balance of power in our senate is still held by Green (eco-friendly) and Family First (right wing nut job) parties. So there is a bit of censorship, and it won’t change soon, but it is weird, we still got the full version of Taken, and our TV shows do appear to have more nudity and swearing then the U.S. I’m not sure about violence though, probably about the same as you guys. It is different when it comes to computer games though, maybe because kids (and adults) will sit playing them to excess, and no parent is going to sit for hours watching the kids play games.
There is violence on the streets of Australia, we have gangs in the big cities, there is currently an ongoing Bikie war in Sydney, in fact someone was shot not 2kms from where I live, and there was a house shot up in a drive-by shooting close to where I work. We’ve had gangs blowing up ATMs all over the place. There are random beatings, just like any other place where people get drunk, high or desperate. There is racism. Young men, and occasionally young women, will illegally drag race, crash and kill innocent bystanders. In the news recently we were warned to be on the lookout for horny male Funnel-web spiders. Apparently they can be found in some very surprising places when they are searching for females. I’ve got a friend who moved to Australia 10 years ago, he has been bitten twice by spiders since he’s been here, neither I or any of my family have ever been bitten.
On the other side, there is a lot to like about Australia. We have the best beaches in the world, the best looking women, the best beer, and we’re really good at sports, most of the time. We recently had some massive firestorms in south eastern Australia, over 200 people have so far been confirmed as dead, thousands have lost there homes. Over $100 million dollars has so far been donated by individuals and companies to help the victims. Not bad for a country of only 20 million!

P.S. Wolf Creek is a work of fiction; it is only VERY loosely based on a true crime. Underbelly, and now Underbelly 2, are based on real events, but some artistic license has been taken with the facts. The real people involved, those still alive, do not agree with everything portrayed in the shows, but they’re still really good viewing. Definitely worth watching.

Lando
almost ten years ago

Thanks for all the comments guys. It\'s good to get a native view of places unfiltered by commercial news.

fieldy
almost ten years ago

Interesting comments regarding Australia.
There are indeed many small towns where I imagine there\'d be fuck all to do, but then again I don\'t think these would be any different to your typical US rural towns such as BumFuck Idaho.
The cities like Melbourne and Sydney are very vibrant and cosmopolitan with a million things to do.

I recommend you guys see the movie, Wolf Creek. Plot: Stranded backpackers in remote Australia fall prey to a murderous bushman who offers to fix their car, then takes them captive. TRUE STORY.

I also recommend the latest Series \"Underbelly\", TRUE STORY about the Gangland slayings in Melbourne b/w 1995-2004, people getting whacked everywhere. If you want I can burn you a copy and mail it to you because I think it will only ever be available in the UK and Aus.
If your interested email me and i\'ll post it to you

great show