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Big Dave
seven and a half years ago

Wow! Sorry for being a bit late on this one, but I was being lazy. Wow, someone's a bit upset. Maybe they really care about you Joe. Don't worry, I'm not going to preach to you, well..... not much.

If you're happy with who you are, everyone else can FUCK OFF! If you want to change yourself, then do as much or as little as you're comfortable with.

I'm a big fella myself, 265 pounds at 5'9" I do physical work for a living, but I doubt I could run a mile, I could however, walk 5 or more, I really hate cardio, and I can lift things all day long, I know I'm not as fit as some, and I'm carrying too much weight, but I'm happy, so everyone else can FUCK OFF!

As you said, you've pretty much maintained your weight for 10 years, so you're doing something right, just take the dog for a walk every day, they love it. It's when I listen to most podcasts.

Brian
seven and a half years ago

By the way, the timer program I use on my work PC is called Workrave.

http://www.workrave.org/

There is a similar program called Breaker which I haven't used but seems to be pretty much the same thing.

http://davidevitelaru.com/software/breaker/

Workrave has some built-in stretch workouts which are nice if you aren't sure what to do.

Brian
seven and a half years ago

Joe, I completely understand the discomfort you get when being all sweaty. It's gross. I do exercise quite a bit, and always rush to the shower as soon as I am done. Hell, even if I'm just hanging out at home in the summer not doing much at all and I get sweaty I jump in the shower the second it starts to cool down. My wife, on the other hand, can do for an hour run, come back, cook and eat dinner with me, watch some TV, and then shower right before bed. I think she's nuts. She probably wouldn't shower at all until the morning before work if I wasn't around to remind her.

But there are plenty of things that can be done that don't cause you to become sweaty. Walking and stretching are two of the most basic physical activities and they have the greatest balance payoff vs time and effort. There are smartphone apps with quick and easy stretching routines. They show animations of what to do and have timers. I have a few of these installed and every morning when my alarm goes off I get up and stretch for 5 minutes, sometimes 10. This is quick and easy but it goes a long way. You have a dog, so you've got a built-in reason to go for walks. Even 30 minutes of walking a day is extraordinarily better than doing nothing. When my wife and I both get home from work we usually go out for a walk around the block to talk about our days instead of doing it while sitting at home. Whenever I talk to family on the phone I do it while walking outside. Stuff like this where there's no reason you have to be sedentary during it is great for just getting up and moving.

I am at a desk a lot at work and I have a timer that goes off ever 15 minutes of continuous computer activity and begins a 30 second countdown. Every time this goes off I stand up, stretch my legs a bit, move my arms and neck about, and make sure to look at things across the room. This is good for your eyes and your muscles. Every hour the timer goes off with a 3 minute countdown during which time I use the restroom, fill up my water bottle, get some tea, or just walk the halls.

My wife is a super athlete but also a science dork like me, so what she tends to read are exercise physiology and nutrition journals. From what I know through her is that the problem with sitting is that people sit for long, uninterrupted times. It's fine to sit for 12 hours a day if it's broken up into 48 15-minute chunks. When you sit the bloods vessels and nerves around the hamstrings get compressed. It has been shown that electrical activity in your legs decreases by some insanely high percentage which I can't recall. Even simply standing up and sitting right back down helps dramatically. Doing a bit of moving and stretching for 30 seconds is absolutely revolutionary for your legs (weird word but I couldn't think of a better one).

Regarding standing desks, I hope to set one up when my company moves to a new building this fall and I get my own office. There are many ways to set one up that are far cheaper than buying a special tall desk. I'm sure you know how to find such things, but one great way that I've seen involves "hacking" Ikea furniture. There's a guide out there to take two cheap Ikea desks and combine the parts to make a sturdy standing desk. At home I use an exercise ball as a chair, and at work I have a large pillow on my chair which I use as a reminder not to slouch back, but instead to "perch" with my back straight and hamstrings mostly hanging off the chair. This is typically thought of as the best way to sit, as it is an active position that puts little pressure on soft regions.

If you want any primary sources on any of the stuff I mentioned here, let me know and I can get references from my wife. She was in a Physical Therapy doctoral program for 2 years, though she now works in biomaterials engineering. Meeting her completely changed my life as I used to not think much at all about health and fitness. Having it presented in a clear, scientific way was the key for me, and if it might be for you too, I can hook you up.

Carl
seven and a half years ago

Yeah Joe and Lando do complain about their culture and most likely do little to improve it via protests and action in fact they state they are well informed but do little about it. I think that would reflect 99% of the human population, including me. They dont pretend to be any more than two friends having a conversation. Bomar Dv if you are out in the streets helping the poor and protesting for a better deal for the down and out people and animals while keeping your own body and mind fit then you are one of the few inspirational people the world needs more of. It is easy to criticise others but harder to criticise yourself or your own culture and only Bomar Dv knows whether he has the right to judge others .

Bomar Dv
seven and a half years ago

(4 of 4)

PROBLEM IS THAT ALSO MAKES YOU UNFIT AS A POTENTIAL FATHER, THAT FLAW
WAS INHERITED FROM YOUR DAD TO YOU, WHAT FLAW YOU MAY ASK? -> THE ABILITY
TO TALK A LOT BUT DO LITTLE ABOUT SELF DESTRUCTIVENESS.

TANGENT JOE SAYS "BOMAR, YOU DID NOT EVEN MEET MY FATHER!!!"

IMPOSSIBLE->? YEAR 2030 JOE SR. DIES EARLY DUE TO PREVENTABLE DISEASE, JOE JR. IS LEFT WITH UNRESOLVED DADDY
ISSUES


SOUNDS FAMILIAR?

WHAT PURPOSE DO YOU SERVE AS A FATHER IF YOU ARE NOT GONNA FINISH THE
JOB?


OH I SEE,
TANGENT MAN IN A CLOWN SUIT...AGAIN...OH NOW YOU ARE WEARING A DIFFERENT
ATTIRE...I SEE...NOW YOU BROUGHT A MIRROR ALONG.


My name is Joe and I am a lazy coward with endless tangents, I also say "YUP" to each of my flaws.



NOTHING EASIER THAN COMFORTABLY LYING TO YOURSELF AND THROWING THE TOWEL JUST LET ME HEAR IT JOE...COME ON...SAY THE MAGIC WORDS..."Y....U....P"




My name is Joe and I am a lazy coward with endless tangents, I also say "YUP" to each of my flaws.


end of feedback.

Bomar Dv
seven and a half years ago


(3 of 4)

"As for the endless tangents, you got me pinned to the wall on that
one." TRANSLATES INTO: "YUP, I AM A COWARD/ YUP, A BABY IS MORE
EXPENSIVE THAN CONDOMS"

"But in fairness to you, it's a good point. I do suffer some of the
apathy I complain about" YUP, SELF REFERENCE BUT MY NAME IS JOE AND I
WILL NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT BEYOND RECOGNIZING IT AND SAYING "YUP"
BECAUSE SAYING "YUP" IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. LOOK, MY NAME IS JOE, WHEN I
GET ON THE BUS I SEE FAT SHEEP, I SEE FAT MICE BUT WHEN I SEE MY
REFLECTION, I SEE A FAT SLY CAT, THAT IS THE SHARPNESS OF MY IDEOLOGY,
IT MAKES ME THE SAME BUT DIFFERENT.

"Finally, I doubt many people who listen to me for a good amount of
time" LOOK BOMAR, YOU MADE A FEW POINTS BUT YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW ME.
"I wasn't giving myself a pass, at least I wasn't trying to." I DO


BOMAR SAYS: DOES NOT MATTER HOW I READ YOU IN BETWEEN THE LINES, YOU
HAVE NO INTENTION OF CHANGING. ALL YOU DO IS OCCASIONALLY TAKE YOUR
MENTAL WEB CAM FILM YOUR FLAWED SELF THEN PLAY IT BACK AND JERK OFF TO
IT, ELEGANT? NOT REALLY, ELABORATE? YES. MEANINGLESS? YES.

DO YOU COMFORTABLY LIE TO YOURSELF? OF COURSE

(continues in part 4)



Bomar Dv
seven and a half years ago

All right then, I'll have the last word/comment, (I will have to split it into 4 parts. I have to give you props for accepting what you asked: Honest Feedback. Other people ask for it but end up crying in a corner because they can't take the other 50% of that which is not rosy and "politically correct". If you can't take it don't ask for it.





(1 of 4)
Let's call a spade a spade, Joe has a very elegant way to justify his
laziness...Joe is faaaaaar from being stupid but his comments "I hate
exercise I already work a lot, all that sweat is work" almost as if he
expected to get payed for going to the Gym...again, Joe has a very
elegant way to justify his laziness, he is not sick, he is not injured,
he is not old and he could erase 2 or 3 movies from his Netflix queue to
do moderate exercise 3 times a week, his selective logic just does not
hold up. (BTW, I am not a jock I just exercise often because it is just
too expensive to be fat and Joe's logic is almost as flawed as that of
the guys that refuse to wear condoms 'cause "they are expensive" really?
as if a baby was cheaper...)

Now guess what Bomar did... Bomar sent the Joe guy 2 emails he was
supposed to to respond with:
A) Knee jerk reactions
B) Apathy through elegant self reference

What did I get?
The second, and it reads something along these lines

Average Joe "yup I know, a baby is more expensive than condoms, I know I
am dumb...yup"

Ozone Joe "yup I know, a SEDENTARY ILLNESSES are more expensive than
exercise, I know I am dumb...yup"

(continues in part 2)

Joe
seven and a half years ago

Both, actually. The site kept only showing a single line of the following comments, and I figured I'd just let you have the last word.

Bomar Dv
seven and a half years ago

You gained 10% of my respect when you posted my first 2 comments (even if the site has low or no traffic) you did post them.
The third is truncated either by length or by censorship, which one is it Joe?
Are you throwing the unused towel?

Bomar Dv
seven and a half years ago


Let's call a spade a spade, Joe has a very elegant way to justify his lazIness...Joe is faaaaaar from being stupid but his comments "I hate exercise I already work a lot, all that sweat is work" almost as if he expected to get payed for going to the Gym...again, Joe has a very elegant way to justify his lazIness, he is not sick, he is not injured, he is not old and he could erase 2 or 3 movies from his Netflix queue to do moderate exercise 3 times a week, his selective logic just does not hold up. (BTW, I am not a jock I just exercise often because it is just too expensive to be fat and Joe's logic is almost as flawed as that of the guys that refuse to wear condoms 'cause "they are expensive" really? as if a baby was cheaper...)

Now guess what Bomar did...He sent the Joe guy 2 emails/comments he was supposed to respond with:
A) Knee jerk reactions
B) Apathy through elegant self reference

What did Bomar get?
The second, and it reads something along these lines:

Average Joe says "yup I know, a baby is more expensive than condoms, I know I am dumb...yup"

Ozone Joe says "yup I know, a SEDENTARY ILLNESSES are more expensive than exercise, I know I am dumb...yup"

In both you get the guy to follow along or pity himself but in neither case you get the impression that the guy is gonna change his course. All I get is a deeply divided individual with weak undertones of passive-aggresiveness, mixed with his internal struggles, for instance


COMMENTS IN CAPS


"First, I think lazy is a bit unfair. I'm not as active as I should be, no, but lazy describes a different type of individual."

Joe
seven and a half years ago

Welllllllllllllllll, not really any angry email, but I would differ on a few things in there Bomar.

First, I think lazy is a bit unfair. I'm not as active as I should be, no, but lazy describes a different type of individual. I think even Lando would back me up there, and he doesn't spare me the criticism on lack of exercise.

Second, my father and I are not the same setup. He died from lung cancer. Did his fitness factor into the speed? Yeah, most likely, but it was most definitely not the prime cause, so that type of comparison doesn't really work. I have never smoked, will never smoke, although cancer tends to be genetic so I expect some form to get me at some point.

But in fairness to you, it's a good point. I do suffer some of the apathy I complain about, at least in this department. I don't think I've ever specifically railed against people on fitness, specifically to avoid being a hypocrite, but if I have then it was an error on my end.

Finally, I doubt many people who listen to me for a good amount of time would describe me as someone who feels reality and the facts don't apply. I wasn't giving myself a pass, at least I wasn't trying to. I don't think I'll beat the odds on anything. I don't see myself as special enough to outrun biology. I was simply stating my mindset, flawed as it is.

As for the endless tangents, you got me pinned to the wall on that one. That's about all I have as far as this show goes...

Bomar Dv
seven and a half years ago


Oh wait, I just got an Angry email from Joe...


Here is my preemptive response

Dear Joe,

What part of "Discipline" is unclear to you?

What? Oh I can hear you Joe...speak a little louder
(...)
Oh yes, another tangent, you can't agree that discipline is universal and you want to have a more comfortable version of it...a pampered version of discipline...just for you...right?
Another tangent? oh yeah I agree with you "Jock talk" sucks...

Your pampered version of discipline HAS TO BE SELECTIVE.

Here is the problem, in the IT business you are painfully aware of the immediate price you pay for selective discipline. When it comes to VPN connections and VIP executives. Discipline or no job.

Why can't you see regular exercise as a VPN connection?

Oh I see...you are in the clown suit again...

Oh wait, let me get my telescope...Oh Wait! Joe is now wearing diapers...now Joe is yelling and howling! He is hurt because logic should also give him special treatment!
Joe is entitled not only to his own opinion but to his own facts, reality has to comply to him and rules do not apply to his majesty! Joe is not a classic passive media consuming fat American! no no no no! He is "rare fauna" and all his errors are to be downplayed.



All right let's leave Joe alone so that he either grows up or has a heart attack whatever happens first...After all he is a classic fat, media consuming, outspoken (he even has a podcast) American yet his passive classic American reality bothers him, his own reality is to be denied with outspoken overcompensated denial.

Selectively "disciplined"
Selectively "outspoken"
Selectively "..."

Is it Pareidolia or Joe follows a pattern?

Bomar Dv
seven and a half years ago

Well Joe,
I enjoyed your 30 minutes and I have been listening to both of you guys for a while and at first I thought the whole 30 minutes were part of an intentional satire then I realized you were not in character...If you can be so organized, precise and critical of your own culture why do you give yourself a pass on exactly the same passive mistakes of your society? I doubted at first about sending my thoughts but you asked for feedback & since I am not a princess and neither are you, here is what I think about your forgiving take on your own lifestyle:


Joe enjoys his lazy selective discipline.


OCD organization of countless files and items ? No problem Joe can do!
Being outspoken & mercilessly critical about a lazy American society? No problem Joe can do!
Managing, life, work, news, audio files, feeds then a podcast & finishing any number of levels and extras on several videogames + Netflix queue? No problem Joe can do!
Exercise?....oh well "Joe can do" puts on the clown suit that says "Joe the tangent" & says that he wants to learn through trauma & heart attack as the last choice but unless that happens...he can't be bothered & gets all pissy about sweat & peer pressure but Joe still can't convince himself that deep down he wants to emulate his father's early demise either as self punishment in denial or plain lazyness with passive-soft-core self destructiveness. Self referencing does not change your lazyness.
Joe adores to join the fat American sheep as long as there are no mirrors nearby.

You are a lazy coward with endless tangents.


















Lando
seven and a half years ago

Oh Joe.
Exercise. Comfortable shoes. Good insoles. Invest in ergonomic design. You know I've been all about this for years and years lol. Remember my swopper chair. Those things are designed around active sitting so you're always using your back and legs on some level. Before that I had that bizarre ergonomic chair with the weird bottom that stimulated blood flow in the legs lol. Our offices are designed badly for our bodies, and as a writer who spends long hours at the computer, I am also well aware. So I'm always trying to build a better office. I also cant use a standing office because when I write, my mind body connection gets screwy and I sometimes forget my body is there. Then I fall down. Problem is that better design ends up costing a lot.

As for exercise, we both know our divide on this one. I power walk three hours a week weight lift 3 hours a week. Six hours of my life I trade for better health, for the ability to move more smoothly and not think so much about what I eat. Dieting is hard. I tend to focus on protein, vegetables and fruit. Simple mantras help me to hold on to things. I tried that eat every 3 hour thing and I just couldn't hold on. So now I just eat fruit smoothies or cereal for breakfast and then eat a large healthy meal for dinner. I drink a lot of coffee which is not good but I drink little soda at this point and dont really eat a lot of sweets. But you know what, even without any kind of diet, power walking or running 3 hours a week will help your mental and physical health.

Sometimes we alter the environment when really its the individual. I use to start outside of myself to figure things out. Now I start inside and outside and keep moving till the two points meet in the middle and I've found a solution. What do you guys think? What's your health plan like, if you have one?